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DIY Antenna GPS 10Hz ( chips: GPS NEOM8-N + Bluetooth JDY-30)

LukeLukeLukeLuke
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Hello,
i tried to build this 10hz GPS antenna. I tried to pair with Racechrono, but it doesn't work.
with the Android app Serial Bluetooth i tried to connect on the DIYAntenna directly, this is the output:

09:00:40.479 $GNRMC,,V,,,,,,,,,,N*4D
09:00:40.479 $GNVTG,,,,,,,,,N*2E
09:00:40.479 $GNGGA,,,,,,0,00,99.99,,,,,,*56
09:00:40.479 $GNGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,99.99,99.99,99.99*2E
09:00:40.586 $GNGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,99.99,99.99,99.99*2E
09:00:40.586 $GPGSV,1,1,00*79
09:00:40.586 $GLGSV,1,1,00*65
09:00:40.610 $GNGLL,,,,,,V,N*7A
09:00:41.759 $GNRMC,,V,,,,,,,,,,N*4D
09:00:41.759 $GNVTG,,,,,,,,,N*2E
09:00:41.759 $GNGGA,,,,,,0,00,99.99,,,,,,*56
09:00:41.759 $GNGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,99.99,99.99,99.99*2E
09:00:41.811 $GNGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,99.99,99.99,99.99*2E
09:00:41.811 $GPGSV,1,1,00*79
09:00:41.811 $GLGSV,1,1,00*65
09:00:41.835 $GNGLL,,,,,,V,N*7A
09:00:42.494 $GNRMC,,V,,,,,,,,,,N*4D
09:00:42.494 $GNVTG,,,,,,,,,N*2E
09:00:42.494 $GNGGA,,,,,,0,00,99.99,,,,,,*56
09:00:42.494 $GNGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,99.99,99.99,99.99*2E
09:00:42.584 $GNGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,99.99,99.99,99.99*2E
09:00:42.584 $GPGSV,1,1,00*79
09:00:42.584 $GLGSV,1,1,00*65
09:00:42.606 $GNGLL,,,,,,V,N*7A

Have you any suggestions?

Thanks a lot

Bye
Luca from Italy

Comments

  • aol_of_RaceChronoaol_of_RaceChrono
    Configure it to output $GPRMC and $GPGGA. The rest are really not needed so you can disable them.
  • LukeLukeLukeLuke
    ok. perfect! i'll try to do it.
    thank you.
  • LukeLukeLukeLuke
    i tried to disable GLONASS and set UBX+NMEA+RMC in the output string. this is the output now:

    16:40:52.547 $GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,99.99,99.99,99.99*30
    16:40:52.547 $GPRMC,,V,,,,,,,,,,N*53
    16:40:52.547 $GPVTG,,,,,,,,,N*30
    16:40:52.637 $GPGGA,,,,,,0,00,99.99,,,,,,*48
    16:40:52.637 $GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,99.99,99.99,99.99*30
    16:40:52.637 $GPGSV,1,1,00*79

    Do you think could be right?

    Thanks
  • aol_of_RaceChronoaol_of_RaceChrono
    Looks right.
  • LukeLukeLukeLuke
    i need your help. :-(

    before making the changes you suggested, I performed a factory reset through the U-CENTER interface.
    Now it never locks on any satellite.
    Tips?

    Thank you
  • aol_of_RaceChronoaol_of_RaceChrono
    Hi, no idea unfortunately. I do have M8 chip here that I'm planning to try on my DIY stuff, maybe can answer this later...
  • mmriziommrizio
    I encountered similar behaviour, but it did start working again after a few minutes.
    In U-Center I did a CFG - "Revert to default configuration". Then it takes many minutes to get a lock to satellites again, even if you send the Almanac through 'A-GPS'.

    While my USB-GPS receivers function flawlessly (but not with RaceChrono - I should try to connect them to my phone!), my GPS module connected through a USB-serial connector behaves erratically in U-Center. A-GPS data is not always kept and the newer constellations (Beidou, Galileo) are not reported - but I think they are received.

    Also if you remove the GxGSV(?) records, U-Center does not report the satellites. So it may look like it is not receiving, but it does use them to calculate position.
  • renato256346renato256346
    What is the list of supported NMEA messages and talker id's ?
    * RMC and GGA are mentioned above: these 2 are pretty standard for a complete positioning decoding (HLT uses these)
    * GSA and GSV are used when available to display the constellation of satellites, perhaps optional? If used, can they be sent with a lower frequency (e.g. every 1, 2, 5 secs)?
    * I see that sending GPS, Glonass, and Galileo works - is anything but GP ignored? Should other talker be changed into GP talker id?
    * is GBS used?

    Thank you!
  • aol_of_RaceChronoaol_of_RaceChrono
    - Only GGA+RMC or RMC+VTG+ZDA combinations are used
    - GSA+GSV are optional
    - Sentences need to start with $GP
    - GBS sentence is not used (as stated above)
  • LukeLukeLukeLuke
    https://racechrono.com/forum/discussion/comment/11052#Comment_11052

    Hi,

    I found the solution.

    The problem was the internal GPS antenna.

    I tried to connect a simple electricwire and now it works.

    IMG_20210101_084423.jpg
    IMG_20210101_084404~2.jpg


  • LukeLukeLukeLuke
    hi,
    this is my output on RaceChrono https://ibb.co/Bzp0Pj2
    it seems to be right, but I notice that the GPS update is not stable (14Hz is the GPS setting) it alternates between 6 and 13hz.
    Is it normal? Could be the of the serial communication? Now it is set 9600

    Thanks

    Regards
  • aol_of_RaceChronoaol_of_RaceChrono
    Most definitely 9600 baud rate is not enough for 14 Hz NMEA. Try 19200 or 38400.
  • matte92matte92

    Good morning to all

    It also does the same thing to me, I configured the GPS to 10Hz but on race chrono it oscillates between 7 and 10hz.

    The bluetooth module baudrate is set to 38400 as well as the gps serial output.

    Doing some tests it seems that this happens only by communicating with the smarphone, I also tried connecting it to the computer via bluetooth and in that case the frequency is stable at 10hz.

    How did you guys solve the problem?

  • kaliberr44kaliberr44
    Did you managed to get it stable when connected to phone?
  • matte92matte92
    For the moment yes, I have changed the GPS settings so that it only provides me with GGA and RMC type messages.
    It is currently stable at 10HZ.
    Another problem I have encountered is the maximum number of satellites I can acquire is 12 (probbilmente this is a limitation of the GPS module used at 10Hz).
  • Julio_damascenoJulio_damasceno
    build a 10hz gps and I'm having delay problems for the racechrono. The module I use is the hc-06, its bluethooth version is 2.0. Has anyone ever experienced this?
  • mnmsmushymnmsmushy
    edited February 2024

    Hi everyone,

    Sorry I am new, and i also just made a diy gps module following the bonogps guide, and I’ve managed to pair everything successfully.

    however in RaceChrono, for some reason the gps speed updates randomly, at a very low refresh rate (maybe once in 10seconds)

    latitude, longtitude and other information updates rapidly at more than 1hz, I’ve configured to 10hz currently.

    these are the messages I’m seeing from u Center on my laptop

    9B4F2B29-41FD-48F4-AE80-643D47BB6FAA.jpeg

    GPRMC should have the speed inside (screenshot is from my computer so speed is basically 0)

    using Harry’s lap timer I am able to get gps speed with position, but I prefer the interface of race chrono.

    I cannot understand why latitude and longitude is working, but gps speed isn’t in RaceChrono.

    in race chrono even the position in the map is tracked accurately at a high refresh rate, but just no gps speed.

    could someone point me in the right direction?

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